Interviews in the Sun

by the author
An Opening As Well to God
Up bring everything.
Where’s my boy?
A resident’s assembly
bringing towards that you.
Who lived off the grid?
What exactly
did you mean by business?
They think it’s me
the wrong piston,
this wagon:
I can’t find my dime
in society.
This sucks and I want out of it.
We’re on you like stink on shit—
the great big arms of society.
We don’t let you get there
to utopia.
We damage everything.

Now let’s go to the bubble Auroville,
an experimental town city.
Great Scott!
society couldn’t leave it alone,
molested it like a little child,
and it got taken over by the Indian government
way back when
but comin’ out of the woodwork now,
just as pretty as you please.
Now they’re stuck
with nothin’ to do about it.
A patriotic Indian government has taken over,
and they’re throwin’ out non-Indians who disagree,
makin’ the international city
Indian.

Spirituality’s the powder keg.
They don’t do it right
they say.
They quote the Mother and Sri Aurobindo all day
without understandin’ what they’re talkin’ about,
without knowin’ those words,
with the fervor of a religious persons
who bring Auroville to its knees
surrenderin’ to the Mother said.
This is the apex of the new city.
It’s lost its charter there.
I’m a mechanic,
and I’ve got some cars to work on,
the Auroville sedan
and the world school bus.
I want to show you the method of the spirituality.
I have some things to say.
Annie get your gun.
We might stay together,
anyone wantin’ a new society,
anyone wantin’ to change the world.
Annie’s gonna shoot us all
if she could.
She don’t let social change,
and she’s government big.

I begin here
my revolt,
not with gunpowder
or any type of violence,
not with protest signs and blockin’ streets.
I give you the ideas that will change the world.
Funny huh?
it’s just little ole me.
I want my boy to come home.
That’s this can you hear me?
That’s the child
I’m pullin’ out all the stops for,
I’m riskin’ my life for,
to rescue.

A black man did it,
killed all these people
in control of mankind,
without takin’ a single life,
without firin’ a single shot.
He got rid of their ideas that control us.
He blew up the machine
with the ideas that make the world.
Keep him open
answering questions.

There are horrors, huh, right now? [vision of a ghoul-like creature popping up from behind some trashcans that I kicked, as if it’d been hiding there]
The tremblin’ must be rewound by it.
You’re almost taken.
There is no revolution anymore.
It’s found you.
This is hotdog nigger stats,
your consumer prices index.
Am I racial string theory my dear?
Interracial.
We are all following the machine,
reacting to its wares and memes.
Nigger got you didn’t it?
You all jump in the same hoop,
even if you use that word to call people names.

We are a standardized machine,
no glory holes.
We take our partner
to legalized sex
and punish those who don’t.
Can I get at that spirit of the machine?
I’m not sayin’ sex traffic kids.
You’re all in a bottle you know,
even the one who breaks all the rules.
You’ve been put to the test,
livin’ off the grid like you do.
You define yourself by society.
Just look at the books you read.
They’re society bound,
even Henry David Thoreau
or that guru master you read.
You’re reading other people
of what you make work in life.

Can we get off the stairs?
Can you
table God?
My God he’s big.
Can I rewrite you
a blindin’ every minute
to the creation made today
as we speak,
nothing standardized nothing made
all this past that led up to now?
It’s a fairy rose,
a shapin’ flux
that’s puts together our minutes
seemingly aligned with the past.
A great big school of thought this
that brings the universe to bear.
I mean the universe is jumpin’ out at yah right now,
created this minute don’t you see?

A settled creation no.
Created now
of world maker’s art.
You have these pistons it fits into,
and you grease your days and nights
with your own content.
You are a happening in the Void,
a mechanism for a movie
graveling existence into nothingness
so that we can be.
Do you have your hat on?

When science reaches here it will see God
guiding stars from above
and gathering forms in place,
but it is fairy rose,
the whole damn show.
In this existence is real.
Its rises God,
climbs out of the Void
by lighting it,
and we make up its lives.
See you soon
at the reunion of stars.
We do not come from the Void.
We are the soul in the machine.

Now do you see miracle?
The soul rises in the machine.
Are you startled?
You should be.
That’s the bulwark of creation right in your hands.
Now take a child and whip him again.
You know you’re risin’ stakes.
You don’t see the significance Earth?
It has a wonder-weft in it.
To your mom
Nithish.
We have the autograph books for Being,
big beautiful Being.

That’s why wood’s together,
those two grapplin’ with existence proper,
the boy that makes you uneasy,
the man that makes you question things,
they find inner muscle.
I’ll have X call you back.
You know he’s waiting.
Now for some childhood trauma.
I met the Void
in its dirty underwear.
Outside of the world
I disappeared from Heaven
in a toddler’s nightmare.
Buried alive,
I had existence piled on top of me.
I rose things
that jumped out and rescued me.
Fell down in the Void
a toddler with inner journey secrets.
All our arms point down be careful.
Hell has a wide mouth.
Light itself got me out.
Can I call your name?
Can I name the world?
Caught in those wheels myself existence rose,
right in the middle of the sun.

Now I’ve seen where holocaust comes from,
saw the monsters of the deep
and the origin of all evil.
I felt it there.
Trade me for secrets,
and I will light what can’t be seen.
Come down to earth with me,
and let’s get out of this hole
leading little lives of quiet desperation
not knowin’ where we’re goin’
or a get there to get there too,
just bein’ fishes
in a plastic bottled sea
in the pattern of the days.
Even if you’re rich
or the president of something,
we’re in the Void.
We are almost buried in the machine.

What do we do with these minutes?
We standardize them,
make them in line,
and we do this by society’s test
in the basics of us,
no matter where we live.
I’ve chased you there,
all the great thinkers escapin’ the machine.
I don’t think you can be free in it.
Here is the test now
in a sudden poem.
My God that works.
I can do it.
Fine, I’m in my underwear.

Can I show you the Holocaust again in time,
the cruelty of one towards the other,
the diabolical meanness?
Will you change that way
and be kind to people
or even good,
or will you hate the abusers
and turn off the TV?
Will you see this in your own house
with your own kids,
forcing them into labor camps
of school,
making them obey you or else,
giving them your name not theirs,
making them fill society’s roles
and cutting off their souls?
It’s a holocaust of denial.
We make standard kids
in a standard room,
and we can’t get over it don’t work.
Even if our kids cure cancer,
they haven’t made humanity bigger than itself,
they haven’t evolved us further than ourselves,
they haven’t seized the wheels of time
and discovered us.

You live in a box you see,
a prison house of weft.
I’m tryin’ to find a key to outside
where the inner splendors lay,
but you’ll just shoot me if I’m wrong,
not in my theory in my moral with boys.
Look at you.
You will deny the inside
in the moments of this poem
because I can’t talk about it
I’m not worthy?
We all live in the yellow submarine. [sing line]
Coffee sir,
I think we’re on the brink of change.

I’m off right now.
These are world fireworks
of every cloud in the sky.
I’m a loud chitty bang bang.
I arrest you and put you to sleep.
I call your name at night.
I’m bigger than sin.
I’m your guacamole.
I take you to the temple at night.
I really get into your stuff,
and I can mislead you too.
I can really mislead you.
I play with your consciousness like it’s on fire,
and I wrap it around the gods
and the name you call home.
I’m puddin’ in a bucket.
I show you things unseen about yourself.
I fry there.
I’ve got a lot of gas
to get you to the supermarket and back.
I can change your life
if you let me.
I can show you which way to go
and where you must not go.
I’m a conscious mechanism in dream
and all vision states.
I’m your inner life
where it touches ground
when you’re alone to yourself.
No dammit I'm not Donny.
Jeez, representative think, will yah?

I’m great big and I’m mean.
I mean when you first open me,
for a lot of people.
I change the world
into its starlight,
and I’m all piss and vinegar in them hellholes.
Come open me I’m a gift
of inner seeing,
the lost art of humanity.
Wanna watch it grow?
Right before your eyes
in this poem.
This is what you’re off the grid for,
to get in touch with your inner dynamics,
to reopen miracle and you.

You’ve got to consciousness to get there
and study there like you’re in school,
where to travel in dream
when you wake up in them,
how to use the paralyzed trance
to leave your body and your room
and see if we share a field of consciousness,
how to bake there
in any inner keeping
the questions of existence,
of who you are
and what unfolds time.

Off the grid do you hear me?
No, you can do this in a valet parking lot,
right in the middle of society.
You don’t have to wear shoes.
You can just get goin’
anywhere you find yourself
stuck on Earth.
You don’t have to have any titles to do this,
no special education.
You can just be you
opening the doors of the inner consciousness
and discovering what’s in there
don’t you see?

Samadhi
will come along eventually,
and you will abide there
fishin’,
even in the surrender mode.
We have paths to cross.
We’ve got to get to know time.
We have to see who we are.
This is in the middle of the road.
That's the dream maker.
It gets you out of boxes,
and it’s available to every man, woman, and child,
even in the animal kingdom.
I’m in;
how did you get down there?

You study dream.
You look for the doorways in there,
the spiral force that takes you,
the swing,
and the fall down into the well of soul.
There is enlightenment too
that you can slip into
for a dream wear.
There’s overhead experience.
You focus on the inside
like it’s your business.
Soon you will see the future in dream,
where you dream every night
some part of tomorrow.
It’s in symbols weird.
It will blow your mind.
You will explore consciousness then
so fortified.
I don’t believe in magic.
You will begin to.
Just open the inner doors
with discernment and kindness
and a watch out about yourself,
and see the world change.

You don’t jump in boxes.
You call out my name
and send money to this number.
Now you know how a fraud sounds,
as I notice your red tongue.
Do you wanna be a teacher?
You don’t need a guide.
Go get your calendar.
I’m going to build
a new house.
That takes time.
Inner red riding book,
that’s your splashdown.
How to fly to inner report the eggs that it needs?
Symbol after symbol you will encounter.
It’s the language of the Spirit.
I never thought about needing one.
We haven’t gotten to the interpretation of dreams yet,
but in our little dream company we cracked the code.
Start with Episode 1.
It’s a podcast silly,
but it’s free.

I don’t have a guidebook to give you.
I just have me
when you get down to dream.
I have evidence it’s out there,
the rediscovery of mankind,
the great big rediscovery
of all our good books on survival,
how we get along,
and where we change for one another,
share that field inside.
I’m bigger than my room.
You just watch.
The table where we’re all planted
the beginning of the inner revolution.
Listen to this poem there.
It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature,
and it’s right here we beat AI,
with our own inner television.
I see.
I need a new pair of shoes.
And that’s great.

Earth meaning on a whole,
the meeting of two red lines,
you keep your outer life goin’.
Don’t lose your job,
and if you take your kids out of school,
make sure they can function in society.
Don’t give them your life.
Let them find theirs.
Outer life tuned,
you’re now an ensemble of the inner too.
You don’t get lost there.
You don’t even make it your life’s work.
It’s your education,
how to handle the outer life
and where to go with it,
ultimately how to change the world.

You don’t get led astray
by your name among men.
Can I exemplify you?
You let your art do that.
It will fly before humanity
the flag you’re supposed to,
the take place of you art.
These will come from inner wares,
the more inner,
the more valuable.
You’re not doin’ this to preach.
You wanna find yourself inside
to get into that outside
the proper material.

You’re balancin’ life
the inner wares too.
You don’t cut one short.
The inner and the outer play along
and begin to dovetail.
You can do both at the same time.
That’s advancement.
That’s where it starts,
you outgrow yourself,
you’re becoming the bigger you are,
and it’s diamonds,
but it’s not wear around your neck.
You meet the breeze humbly and sweetly,
without acting.
Your self-honesty has reached sincerity.
Come over here.
You’re in the drawing room of God,
and great shoulder notions
ride your room.
This is the attack plan
of a real world revolution.
Sweet, ain’t it?
Sweet and kind.
This is the attack plan of an inner revolution,
and all you have to do is open your eyes
to inner beginnings.
You got that right?

I’m gonna explore and investigate consciousness.
Bottled up inside you
your destination.
See who it is
an overhead experience.
Now you know you’re there
because you’ve reached this nameless origin,
the Person that you are,
the origin of all your lives,
somewhere up there in the sun,
greatly over your head.
You can see everything.
It’s too big for you to remember
when you return to your little self.
My God this is big,
and there’s no mistakin’ time.
You’ve been outside of it.
You’ve been bigger than the moon,
the tall country of the gods.
I’m ashamed of this?
You don’t even know it’s there.
You can’t count the sun.

Now murder me for it,
or get your persecution gun,
like you’re doin’ now
in Auroville the city of dawn.
I’m an outcast there,
not now about little boys,
where we begun.
I’ve made people mad by seeing things
the community don’t.
I’ve engaged people
who wear special status
in spirituality or somethin’.
They glide in my room
and just spit there.
Most won’t respond to me,
and I’ve stirred up a hornet’s nest
I believe.

These are little people.
What do you do with them?
You come out of your holes
and shine.
You don’t hide yourself no more.
My boy’s at stake I’ve got to do this.
He needs my help.
Will I be here tomorrow?
I don’t know.
I’ve got people on my case.
I can disappear anytime.
So I show you the sun
and where creation comes from.
I give it to you all
free and without regard
to my safety.
Great you say,
big deal,
are you trying to impress us?

It’s the wrong time for this.
Everybody’s show and tell.
I am just one in a number
oh isn’t that interesting?
But here in Topeka
the flies are a buzzin’. [sing this and above line, a song by Loretta Lynn]
I’m in danger here.
What’s a body to do?
Why open more poetry of course,
high priority encounters
about the transfer of the One.
Then you draw the line
he needs rescued.
I want my boy back.

A Picture to Heal My Headquarters

This photo-poem was posted to Twitter/X February 11, 2024. In vision it came to post it here. All photos by the author except photo one, which is by Douglas

Pain and Suffering

photo by the author
Control ball,
now you record it.
When night
go for it Nithish,
knock phone numbers.
If he gets caught he’s killed.
In Tamil the people who put worse seem very powerful.
I wouldn’t put it that way.
It’s just in good English we’re learning to mince the Devil with words. /
I’ve localized the economy,
and I’m takin’ English to new heights.
It’s not artificial anymore,
a poem that comes from inner sights.

I throw that devil out,
but I show ‘im to yah.
I don’t play with bones.
I heal them in your shelf.
What you got in the closet,
I ring around the rosy.
I’m not here to play dice.
I wanna get to the bones of reality
so that we can live here
and not ruin each other.
I wanna talk about it, you know?
I wanna get down to bloody business.
I wanna show you you
a danger
to let’s all grow up.

Will you find me?
I’m blacklisted for that.
Let me cough.
That danger I present
is right there among you.
I’m not pullin’ any punches.
I wanna heal myself and be free.
I mean I wanna be a proper human being,
no longer stupid.
I don’t wanna block my own trail,
get mad at the world
because I stumped my own toe.
I wanna forgive you
for the same stupidity.
I wanna look out on the world
and understand the miracle of each day.
I wanna see you in it
the very Self I touch with myself,
no cigars.
That means I’m right with you.

I hear my stomach growl,
and we all feed on each other like it’s conversation.
I’m learnin’ not to do that.
You would not know I feel you
when I’m just some guy you’ve met on the road,
or you’re my landlord or niece.
I cry for you sometimes.
Okay I cry for you a lot.
It’s really rough in here, you know?
There’s just so much pain.
They got buried in an earthquake,
a daddy holding his little child dead in a news story.
Can you imagine how that felt?

I’m tryin’ to wash away the tears
that we symbolize time,
and I’ve found out somethin’.
This is just a single show
in a movie house with infinite theaters,
and each one pulls on the next,
and each one supports the next.
We are its base,
the last of the free worlds
before Hell begins.
Of course we suffer.
We support Heaven.
Our blood, sweat, and tears
hold up Heaven,
all the ascending worlds.
It’s not cruel.
Existence has to have everything in it.
I don’t think we can measure how big it is,
and we are not the only world that suffers,
and we’re just innocent little children,
dumb like animals.

There’s a comic plan,
and our universe sucks on the Void
to bring existence out of nothing.
The devils rose,
an unforeseen consequence,
mad as hell existence be,
and they rape us in broad daylight,
and we don’t even see.
We are a banquet of the Heavens and the Hells,
and I am sorry;
I can’t gauge all the worlds
in their ascending hierarchies
or their status in Hell.
I’m tryin’ to take you somewhere—
understanding.

My little boy wants to know why there’s pain.
Do you know what they did to him?
It woke me up.
Now I’m a fish out of water,
a foreign man in not my land.
I’ve been shook up.
I don’t hear my music.
It’s not my culture I see around me.
It’s not even my language.
Do you know what that does to you?
It takes you out of your little world.
You have to confront reality
more on its terms.
You can spend more time in the environment of your consciousness, /
because you’ve got a strange world out there
that doesn’t speak to you
momma’s titties.

You ever live a life for spiritual change?
You wanna get enlightened?
I wanna be my true self above,
whom you are too,
though we’re individually wrapped,
but I’ve gotta be emptied before I can be filled, you know?
That’s enlightenment.
I put myself to the task.
I’m not sayin’ it right.
My soul puts me.
You gotta get there.
It’s the only way out—
up
Don’t you remember your last death?
It’s what everybody talks about on the other side:
“Goddamnit I missed
it again!”

Look I’m not some spiritual shoes you must put on
because I wear ‘em.
Now I’m really tryin’ to get out of this—
suffering.
Now I have seen enlightenment’s tale,
sat right in those shoes,
not long enough to stay there,
and I have seen Myself overhead,
sat in that Sun and watched it ray out,
and I’ve found the soul inside,
made the inner journey to Spirit
in innermost us.
It just accentuates your suffering
if you get these little tastes,
‘cause it’s so plain in your face you’re not there now.
But you want suffering to end?
Can you hear a threesome with your hands and feet?
Any one of them will get yah there.
Realize time
as a vehicle to get there.

We are not animals you see,
and this is not a world buttressed in the Void,
astonished at its meaninglessness,
wondering over its one-trip pony.
There is so much more than Earth
right here upon Earth.
The teeming worlds sing to us in our sleep.
We make contact with the dead.
Even in life’s little room,
we make measure with immensity.
I’m givin’ you God,
what we are becoming,
what even matter becomes.
It’s all there.

Once you see God you’re safe.
Bullshit.
Every devil in the neighborhood will come to fool you,
alarmed for the end of their rule.
Sometimes a world devil steps in
and makes you pay for every man’s sin.
Here’s the bull:
if it’s all God who are these?
Knowledge of God is terrible,
but you forgive ‘im for it.
You’re in a movie.
Neo seein’ the Matrix,
you get there.
What a goof in moviemaking—
take that Matrix and make that a real steak that traitor’s eating. /
Take that Matrix there.
Oh the bones of analogies,
you can’t make them right.

Bhakti, do you hear it?
I’ve got it for the whole damn thing,
but if I stump my toe I’ll cuss you out.
Well,
I’ll least look mean at yah for a minute.
Yeah I’m still in school.
World knowledge does that.
It makes you right with God,
not some moral timekeeper,
the whole damn show.
Okay I’m signin’ off.
Pleasure doin’ business with yah.
I’ll see yah on the rebound,
when another poem is born
from the matrix of my be.
Got that Sin Wood?
I’m not countin’ sin.
I’m fulfillin’ my obligation as a poet,
and I’m sayin’ look at this
in the bowels of language
that’s there to say it right.
Musical or not,
I’m gifted speech.

Answer it with a question:
what is bigger than the Whole?
The unimaginable sink.
You get lost there,
frightenings on the tail ends of nothingness.
It really makes you think.
It’s too big for sky.
It’ll shake you up.
It’ll make you cry
it’s so alone,
so unimaginably deep.
You want it like you want your very self,
coils of room
on which existence is but a fin
to glide it sleekly through nothingness.
Will it put out its eye of existence
and just be its lone self
nowhere be?
A frightening thought.

Okay world,
can I comfort you?
Everything has to be in nothingness.
In existence all is,
from the most horrible to the most profound bliss,
and our world is but a tier
in that world stack,
and we are That you see,
that unimaginable thing
on lone oceans.

Have I reached you yet?
Good, let’s go.
We have to reach forever in a day.
I’m on bended knees,
and I’m not embarrassed about it.
You there,
little animal,
prideful nation,
take down that war.
It’s time for exultation in humanity.
Do you feel yours?
It’s always hands on,
good poetry,
right where your heart is,
right where you feel.
That’s the name of the game.
That’s where we find each other.
I love you did you know that?
And it hurts, you know?
It really does.

Die in some way
take care of those
who absolutely have to have us.
Those are our children.
I’ve got one now.
He’s 12-years-old.
His name is Nithish,
and I will move Heaven and Earth,
overcome the world,
to put that little fella
clean out of suffering
and back where I sacrifice myself to take care of him,
the intent of this poem.
I’m worthy to be there.
I’m his daddy.
You see us upon the roads of time
I love that little boy.
You don’t know the arrangement.

Alright Aristotle,
put the boy to sleep now.
Alexander’s got a big day tomorrow.
Put the poem to bed now.
Alright Aristotle it’s dawn.

The Nature of the Universe Unlock Nothingness

photo by Donny

A poem by Donny Lee Duke

We’re witnessing consciousness.
We are.
We see it in terms or a universe.
That’s not all there is to it.
The field in front of our face,
everything we look at is consciousness.

It’s fantastically long and deep.
It’s the field of God.
How many squares can you count on the head of a pin?
Everything reminds you of God.
It’s not hard to see.
Look at God out there
look at every single thing.

The wrapper has you confused.
You’re hearin’ a story told to you by God.
You’re hearin’ it loud and clear.
You just get lost in the storyline.
Wow, I am Peter Parker.
That’s just a character name you wore.

You bear down on your defenses.
You put your dukes up.
That’s not who I am.
I’m me.
Okay put on another life.

You’re just stubborn.
You can’t get over there’s evil.
You’re trippin’ up over its gotcha.
We roll the dice.
Wham!
How badly that hurt.

Okay we have all these worlds arranged,
a multi-leveled universe,
and there's many universes
—not meanin’ many yous—,
and even beyond universes.

Now where do we put you?
In the middle of the storybook.
It gets better quicker.
It gets much better towards the end.
Can you see you’re stretched out over time?

So many forms you put on as you grow bigger.
You gotta start as a tadpole you know.
Each world,
each evolutionary stage,
pits you against God
until you with your evolutionary self
know that you are He.

Why the struggle?
Nothingness has been breached.
It’s existence in.
Nothingness puts its stamp on everything
until a universe has been made whole.
Cosmic plan kids.

And there you have evil,
where a universe is brought out of nothing.
The clash of forces begets it.
It’s just a temporary stage
if you’re lookin’ at the whole plan.

Alright people,
got it?
I don’t think you understand.
The walls of the world are too red,
And your lover’s face is too sweet,
And your children’s lives just so full of need.
What do you do?

There’s God.
It straightens everything up, you know?
Gives you reason to live,
right relation with everybody,
and puts intimacy of God in your hands.
Amazing grace.